The podcast is taking a summer break this week. But we're giving you the chance to listen again (or for the first time, if you missed it the first time round) to the Revd Fergus Butler-Gallie in conversation with Tom Holland, about Fergus's book A Field Guide to the English Clergy (Oneworld). It was recorded at Hatchards bookshop, in central London, in November 2018.

Fergus is a guest columnist in this week's Church Times. His next book, Priests de la Résistance!, will be published in October by Oneworld.

Tom Holland's next book, Dominion: The making of the Western Mind, will be published next month by Little Brown.